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Post by DUNCE on Nov 22, 2008 14:01:25 GMT -5
"if we try to attract allies with that sort of beacon, we will also attract enemies... or possible human survivors turned raider and marauder, i don't want to put up with that kind of uncertainty"
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Post by クインӥ on Nov 22, 2008 14:38:30 GMT -5
"I think Brian is right the attention we attract might not be the kind we want and we would also stand the risk of becoming complacent. I would say trying to find survivors and help them would be a better idea and we could also find a place that can be easily defended by only a few people where we can find supplies for a long term stay and people who don't go out to help can defended our stronghold" Quinn will say
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Post by Ray Teh Gay on Nov 22, 2008 15:24:42 GMT -5
"I say we hit up Best Buy, we need communication devices for all of us, preferably satellite phones, and some entertainment, games, movies and stuff of the like."
Ill start casting holy light on everyone who is injured, then flop onto the bed and shout to Shit Pickle "Head to Best Buy in Roseville please Shit Pickle, Thank You."
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Post by DUNCE on Nov 22, 2008 16:08:22 GMT -5
"I'm thinking something along the lines of helping ourselves, and if that helps others too, so be it. In' my mind, this group here is top priority, then comes everyone else, it's the only logical thing. It may be a cold and unattractive way of thinking, but in my mind, its the best way to ensure our survival, know our priorities." Brian will emphasize with a fist shake, "we may be the only ones left, and if that is the case, we owe it to the human race at the very least to make sure that our survival is the most important thing."
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Post by Ray Teh Gay on Nov 22, 2008 17:03:54 GMT -5
"Your right Brian our survival is top priority but we owe it to the world as survivors to at least look for others, we should not however broadcast our locations and make it known that we obviously have power and food and a shelter by using radios to tell the world. So Im sorry Fred but we should be more discrete about how we approach finding survivors. When we get to Roseville I think we should probably split up into 2 teams and scower a single store together but in two groups to cover more ground and get in and out quicker, we can do this for most of the mall because there might be some survivors, but highly unlikely. Anyways yeah lets just make our survival the top priority everyone and everything else is second."
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Post by GM on Nov 22, 2008 17:05:44 GMT -5
"Shitpickle already looted best buy ray, we need to figure out where else to go." Mario says.
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Post by blacktothefuture on Nov 22, 2008 17:22:46 GMT -5
During all the talk of scouting and search and further supply looting Black is silently staring off into space, his mind drifting through his most recent realization.
Survivors..
It strikes Black in a way that hadn't yet. What about everyone else he knew? knows? What about those guys from college? the chick at the cafe'? where IS his mother? his sister?
What if they were in that mass of dead? What if everyone is dead?
And if so how? How DOES this all exist?
Black holds an open hand in front of his face, clenching it into a fist and then sighing wearily and letting it fall back down beside him where he lay on the flatbed. Too tired for the angsty part of the episode...and ill equip to deal with it to boot.
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Post by GM on Nov 22, 2008 19:02:42 GMT -5
Mario speaks up again. "Oh and Fred you cant honestly say that a lot of that was not lucky, you were blind half the fight and the butchers cleaver kept proccing or whatever you call it."
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Post by Ray Teh Gay on Nov 22, 2008 19:13:48 GMT -5
OOC: Wait so Shit Pickle looted the Best Buy in Auburn?
"Okay well Ill jury rig us some ear bud communicators, Ill also make it on a frequency that is our own and no one else should hear unless they are using something on the same frequency. Its something my dad taught me when I use to work with him and his CB radios."
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Nov 22, 2008 19:43:13 GMT -5
To Brian: "We attract enemies as it is. It is possible to create a broadcast without revealing our location if we're good. We'll tell survivors to meet at a false location."
To Ray: "So we go around finding survivors piecemeal? How long do you think it'll take to cover the US alone, let alone any of the rest of the world? I agree that we owe it to survivors, but we need a more unified strategy. Once we have a good CB / HAM receiver/transmitter, keep listening, but I was listening throughout my entire drive. I didn't hear anything. Let's hope California was lucky and someone is broadcasting. If not, we have to find a broadcast station with much better signal. Think about it this way: If we find a good military broadcast station, like the old ones at the Headlands, we either set a trap for enemies or create a base for friends or both."
Fred similar to Black and hopefully everyone else is worried about his family, but now is not the time. They have to... push through it, keep fighting, and hope their families are doing the same.
To Mario: "Luck is a part of every strategem."
To sum: "So let's listen and get a better understanding of the situation when we get to Roseville, but we will get worn down and we will die unless we unify with survivors, and that'll mean putting ourselves in risk."
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Post by クインӥ on Nov 22, 2008 20:01:03 GMT -5
"hey Ray, what we do in the military is we have an encrypted setting that will hop frequency every so often but timing is very important if someone enters the setting wrong they won't speak to us, it took 30 years with experts in the field after we had already given the researchers the info and by the time anyone figured it out the info was long ago useless, I can't create them but if we come across one I can use it for these radios and no one can listen in" Quinn says "its been reliable since Vietnam"
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Nov 22, 2008 23:20:19 GMT -5
"Makes sense, Quinn. I bet a military or Forest Ranger base would have encoding that we could use."
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Post by GM on Nov 22, 2008 23:30:57 GMT -5
"So.. first stop roseville I guess and if we can find a safe place there we should rest for a little while." Mario says.
OOG: alright good hustle guys but this chapter is over. 3 points for everyone! spend em well. I will post the new thread up in a bit with the intro to the newest part.
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Post by Ray Teh Gay on Nov 22, 2008 23:43:06 GMT -5
"Forest service does not have anything encrypted to that point, they have their own emergence band which is above cellphone and HAM but that is about it and 95% of the time its just a HAM radio in any type of forest service tower/base, if we want something like Quinn is talking about we need to get to a military base that would actually have use for something that encrypted. Broadcasting and even receiving radios can be tracked with simple radar detectors, you can tune them to receive a wide range of bands, you cant hear whats being said but you can find out where a signal is being drawn to or being sent from, its done quite easily with low end technology. I think at this point its best to keep radio silence and keep moving, we can worry about everyone else later, like I said before our survival is top priority. Also you have to think that technology may not be our best bet, what if someone has the ability to detect radio signals, maybe a technopath or something like that we dont know."
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Post by クインӥ on Nov 23, 2008 10:26:55 GMT -5
"Rays actually right Radio signals can be tracked but usually we have sights that bounce radio signals long distances at a relatively low power level so that its harder to find sometimes you could make so they would never know where you are until they are practically on top of your position but that takes quite a few systems and locations to do usually, ya know I didn't think I actually knew this much about Radios its always been someone else job I actually deal with satellites, switches and phones but they teach signal people the basics anyway and some other people in each unit"
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Post by Ray Teh Gay on Nov 23, 2008 15:05:54 GMT -5
"Just stuff Iv learned over time, mostly form my dad and Cory."
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Post by クインӥ on Nov 23, 2008 15:32:17 GMT -5
"yea, radios really aren't that complicated though compared to the satellites and shelter I work in"
OOG: I can actually call back to the US but conversations are monitered and you can get in punished for saying some things and your time is limited but I have a trick where I can use a phone card and have however many minutes are on the card and use it like I was in the U.S but I don't know a good time to call anyone there is a 13 hour difference
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Post by Ray Teh Gay on Nov 23, 2008 17:09:44 GMT -5
OOC: You can call me any time Robert, Id hell of like to talk to you, Im home most of the time 1 (530) 432-3359
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Nov 23, 2008 19:50:02 GMT -5
"Yes, from what I understand it is very easy to maintain radio contact and not be tracked with good military equipment. Beale or another AFB would have such equipment. That's why submarines and airplanes can retain constant radio traffic and never be caught by any Third World militaries or even the Russians. And radio is not the only option: We could send an encrypted satellite, cable, cellular, long-band or other transmission that's not the only alternative. Remember, Ray: If we don't get help, we WILL eventually die."
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Post by GM on Nov 23, 2008 22:35:40 GMT -5
OOG: fred ray was agreeing with you, he just said that you shouldnt use anything less than military grade, not that they shouldnt do it.
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Nov 24, 2008 1:40:15 GMT -5
OOG: Ah, okay. Yes, then Fred will indicate that as well as note the alternatives.
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Post by DUNCE on Nov 24, 2008 15:33:50 GMT -5
"i say we should look for somewhere of certain or near certain safety, and then slowly expand that area and look for survivors that way, i just think the radio idea would be far too fast and we'd encounter things that would be harmful"
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Post by クインӥ on Nov 24, 2008 15:47:52 GMT -5
"any idea where that would be? because I don't have any idea of a place like that around here... maybe we could use the prison it would have a communication system, medical supplies, electricity,water and it could keep people out as well as in. As long as we have the keys we should hopefully be fine plus they will have batons riot shields and a couple of rifles and shotguns on hand most likely"
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Nov 24, 2008 16:55:11 GMT -5
"I was thinking of holing up in Fry's in Sacto. The mass amount of electronic equipment could let us rig a transmitter at our own space, it has multiple exits, and it's very easy to leave and very hard to surround. It's also unexpected, and we can hide out in it easily since it so colossal, and it already has large trucks there so our land trailer would not be out of place. Brian: We keep encountering things. I think we will continue to encounter things no matter where we go. The question is how to fight back. Expanding an area piecemeal... it'll take YEARS to get the US, decades to get Mexico and Canada, and that's just North America."
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Post by blacktothefuture on Nov 24, 2008 17:04:25 GMT -5
"Fred, I hardly think now's the time to be taking the world on your shoulders" Black will chip in, still gazing skyward. "Besides dude, I'm sure there're survivors taking care of their respective areas. We'll all overlap...hopefully"
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Post by Ray Teh Gay on Nov 24, 2008 17:53:08 GMT -5
"The prison idea sounds fine to me, lots of places to shoot from, we can easily take high ground in a prison and easily have high ground outside of the prison, guard towers, and we can lock the gates at the bottom and have escapes in the top. The only problem I can see is it would have prisoners inside, maybe zombie maybe not, but either way we'd have to clean the place out first and fortify it. Another alternative is some place by the sea, If we could hijack a cruse ship or an aircraft carrier we could be out at sea and dock or have landing vehicles, that would be cool too, but again we'd have to clear it out. Everyone try to think of a place that can easily be defended and easily be shut down to outsiders."
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Post by クインӥ on Nov 24, 2008 18:35:31 GMT -5
"we could use caves that have multiple exits and fortify it from the inside, it wouldn't attract much attention and set up all kinds of traps in case someone does get the bright idea of attacking us we can make a tactical retreat" Quinn suggest
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Nov 24, 2008 18:41:23 GMT -5
"Not from what I've seen, Black. The few survivors I've seen have been viciously human supremacist, thus in risk of hurting others and getting themselves killed in mindless internecine warfare, or aliens. None were helping others. If we want to do the military / prison idea, I wouldn't recommend a military base. It is very likely that those areas are either looted or are sources of tremendous violence. I would recommend the former military bases at the Marin Headlands. They have extensive cave structures, a direct sea access, a lagoon where we can park ships, plenty of hiding spots and land escape roots, and weapon batteries that we could re-arm, fix and make operational."
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Post by クインӥ on Nov 24, 2008 18:47:39 GMT -5
"to tell the truth most bases security isn't that tight just some fences and razor wire that is all there aren't many guard towers and such on the ones iv'e been on"
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Nov 24, 2008 18:55:36 GMT -5
"That's not my point. Military bases are the obvious first location for everyone to loot. That means they're the obvious first location for everyone to be. And that means either there's nothing there or there's something there and someone will want it very rapidly. We have to pick a target that has an optimal mix of utility, inaccessibility and secrecy. The Headlands match all three criteria."
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