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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 13, 2005 22:08:32 GMT -5
Hey, since everything rightfully belongs to us, it's a matter of principle to take it all.
Cool. Did the other companies give me quotes on what I asked for given the building?
Fred is going to buy Chris a few nice dresses and some chocolate (good stuff, but not in a heart box or anything, just a big box), then he's going to come up to Chris' room and knock.
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Post by KRoZ on Dec 13, 2005 23:19:16 GMT -5
Right Fred. make a new topic for freds single player actions and we'll reserve this space for more company oriented situations like your meetings tomorrow and the like.
Also, Justin is a genius.
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 13, 2005 23:35:47 GMT -5
A thinning and increasingly attractive genius!
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Post by halfhero on Dec 14, 2005 0:23:11 GMT -5
If possible, lets make it so after the charge is used on the daggers, it will stand up briefly and carve a Q wherever it stabbed them, and yeah that should be fun. Fred, shut your sprechhole about me making weapons for you, cause you have those fatty enchanted clips. Them bulllets take precision and care! AND CAREEEEEEEE!
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 14, 2005 0:27:41 GMT -5
You made those enchanted clips? Well, fuggin sweet then. But when was I asking for weapons? My jacket alone is more than I need. And then I have a ton of enchanted weapons on top of that.
Oh yeah! Aaron, I was going to go for improving my gunsmithing and creating my special energy bullets. But the dogs are a good idea too.
James: What do you think the company needs most?
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Post by KRoZ on Dec 14, 2005 1:26:16 GMT -5
I think what the company needs most is people and organization.
You have a few dozen people who come and go unchecked.
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 14, 2005 2:08:43 GMT -5
Well, yes, but I can't earn people and organization. Though I could earn telepathic communicators for everyone. Or more characters . But since you've banned new characters, Fred needs to do Power Sense recruiting, and I need to play Nizbel, Kamaitachi, Lt. Stone, Patrick, and Kair Nissht to QSI. The idea of dogs connected to me would help with that phenomenon. So tell me how hard it'd be, in relative terms to each other: *Earn special droid bodyguards *Improve Power Sense for better recruitment *Gain an ability to project into dreams and make an offer *Get Typhon *Get the dogs *Get telepathic communicators
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Post by crazygeneral on Dec 14, 2005 4:09:08 GMT -5
We should also get geared up for WAR with the Chaos Temple. Or something. Techmage doesn't care about what's going on at QSI right now so I don't care. Let Deus and Tech wreck the homes of small orphaned childrens.
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 14, 2005 4:12:36 GMT -5
Hey, man, DF and Deus can already fairly much hold down Karn, in three years our characters will be SO powerful. But yeah, we definitely do need to turn up the heat a bit, get those slaves crackin', build up their power.
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Post by halfhero on Dec 14, 2005 5:26:38 GMT -5
Lets start commisioning people to go to our gym and casino aand other such areas and just tell us good ideas to buy to make people come there. Also, pay young children to vndalize other casinos and gyms with our logo. End their lives swiftly afterwards..
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 14, 2005 5:32:21 GMT -5
Yeah....
In all seriousness: Kroz, how are our associated businesses doing? I remember the casino doing okay, as our halfling friend made sure there was a sizeable house advantage. Have any complaints been lodged? Might we need more machines? Are people finding it easy to get to the businesses?
Speaking of: Next piece of business Fred is attending to is a customer service board. Maybe hire a marketing firm for a bit or some'in.
Also, that dwarf, ogre, etc. are already pretty good security.. Power 50 and a vibro weapon works wonders.
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Post by KRoZ on Dec 14, 2005 8:04:24 GMT -5
It can also make for an unstable foundation to your building.
Anyway, Fred: You take things overboard. While it is possible to get telepathic communicators for everyone in the company, it is frightfully difficult, expensive, untested, and unnecessary.
Getting Fred dogs sounds like something that you just went "Oh? I want that too."
What Would fred do with dogs? Take them places? How? Fred flies or rides a motorcycle. Your answer will be something like getting the dogs jetpacks or personal teleporters. They are dogs.
I don't understand what you mean by projecting into dreams and making offers. Being like "Hey sleepy head stranger. How'd you like to own your dream house? Only $349,999.99!"
The casino is doing good as it can, but hasn't gotten any stupendous publicity since your merc company has come first.
The Gym isn't so successful because people have to go all the way over here and all the way up the building in order to excersize, and they are lazy. They get plenty pumped dodging energy blasts just going out to get the mail. The issue here is location.
Then uhh... it's five AM and I'm going the fuck to bed.
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Post by crazygeneral on Dec 14, 2005 13:19:53 GMT -5
Yeah? A marketing firm? Is that the kind of stuff you really wanna RP? NO! I say we sit back, hire some douche bag CEO to run all the shit that isn't the mercenary company and then not even bother thinking about it, because I RP to develop my character, find neat stuff and then blow that neat stuff up, not run a business. So for the time being I say: We get a good security system, then we go about our merry adventures.
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 14, 2005 15:38:37 GMT -5
I meant EARNING, not buying.
I was inspired by the Splicer Packmaster.
I was actually thinking having them be super-fast genetically modified dogs, but that does still pose some logistical difficulties. I might have to earn a special summoning spell for them too, which does ratchet up the costs.
Well, Fred IS hyper-competitive in the real estate market.
In all seriousness: I meant that since Fred is the primary recruiter, he could use Power Sense to find people then make telepathic offers, including dream-based ones. It's outside of Fred's normal scope of abilities, hence earning it.
Next order of business: Start advertising our other businesses.
[/quote]The Gym isn't so successful because people have to go all the way over here and all the way up the building in order to excersize, and they are lazy. They get plenty pumped dodging energy blasts just going out to get the mail. The issue here is location.[/quote]
True enough. It was sort of intended only to boost us up either. So if we want to get into the gym market, not too bad of an idea since we are fantastic physical trainers, we'll either have to improve the amenities being offered, maybe earning a DBZ-style grav chamber or something, so we have something you HAVE to go out of the way for; or buy another shitty warehouse and transplant the equipment.
That was actually sort of the point: Hire some NPC dude to give us ideas so we can make sure das money is coming in. And actually, as one thing to manage on the side, I like managing a growing business. It's like a Sim game.
Also, Justin, I'm thinking about what to earn for my characters, since I don't have anything that pops to mind that I need or want for them. I was thinking Fred should get some stuff to make him more useful to the company. I do like the energy bullets idea.
What about Typhon or the droid bodyguards?
Also: Justin, you should try to get Toshiro and Skeeter to QSI, if you can.
So we have the gym and the casino. We could run a small hotel, but currently there'd be nothing to set us aside. We need to get a chef; a restaraunt on the bottom floor would be great considering the casino. I'd earn a badass cook of some sort, but new characters are off limit for the moment. We could also create a sort of bazaar-like location, where people come to sell rare items; we'd provide the security, so people would feel safe selling REALLY nice stuff. Any other business ideas, guys?
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Post by KRoZ on Dec 14, 2005 17:25:46 GMT -5
Typhon is your big dragon to ride right? That doesn't strike you as another excessive endeavor? OF course not. You're fred.
And are these robots to bodyguard you or the building? Because if they are supposed to guard you I know they'll be absurdly strong and I won't want anyone to have them.
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 14, 2005 17:45:34 GMT -5
Hey, depending on how long you're turning off earning, I might as well go for something big. Like Scorath riding.
I was thinking a combination, actually. Reasonably strong robots to defend me, allies, the building and to be hired out. Relatively dumb, but with some unique equipment or styles. Each roughly within the range of Kamaitachi. I'd only want to earn them if they could have stuff I couldn't buy easily. Otherwise, I'd go for things like the telepathic communicator that I can't buy.
Nothing is coming to mind for the moment - characters are easiest to go for. I do like the energy bullets idea, though. Think like Caster Shells.
By the by: Today, I want to concentrate on Fred, Bombardi/Asrid and Taloquin.
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Post by crazygeneral on Dec 14, 2005 19:06:17 GMT -5
Dude, instead of waiting to earn all that stuff, acquire it in game...it's more realistic, gives you more things to do in single player and doesn't disrupt continuity by having equipment magically appear out of thin air.
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Post by halfhero on Dec 14, 2005 19:36:01 GMT -5
Yeah fred, the mount, you got that from going " I want that too" at my sandworms, this shit with chris, you got that from going "I want that too" at jakota, and the dogs have been covered, althouugh i have reason to suspecct that its because mr. satan rules so much. point is fred, quit being such a predictatron. you DONT need a mount that fires black holes out of ONE of its mouths. You don't need a buncch of dogs to follow you around, you do however, need to figure out how to make women love you by lighting them on fire.
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 14, 2005 20:19:22 GMT -5
I need to be earning SOMETHING from battle arenas and scenarios. If you don't like the incontinuity, complain to Aaron, not me. But I like your idea of the gunsmithing and magic bullets, so I'm going for that. Also, I have a full plate for single player too. Umm, something's been developing between me and Chris for several years now. It might have been before Jakota, I think. You mean Typhon? Yes, somewhat, because we're trying to make Deus, Tech and Fred a sort of trinity. And when I try to earn something unique, I'm attacked too. So, umm, what the fuck? I was actually thinking more Packmaster and as a tribute to Otto. And I thought I came up with a pretty reasonable solution. The main problem with your argument is that it implies that my characters have nothing unique about them. Since that's obviously patent bullshit, we can dispense with it immediately. That's an exaggeration, I hope, since Typhon didn't do that. Or being an ethical person who's helping someone. You know. The unique thing about Fred. In that I actually play a character with an alignment rather than someone who does what I happen to want at any particular time and being proud that I don't have an in-character playstyle. Anyways: I'm going with the idea I had, in line with your proposal, for energy bullets and gunsmithery.
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Post by halfhero on Dec 14, 2005 20:58:18 GMT -5
for one, aaron will agree with me that when you first proposed typhoon, yes it DID fire black holes fred, along with two other attacks that were overpowered. two, what i am trying to say is that your characters have ENOUGH about them that is unique(nevermind the fact that you play as yourself, which always seeemed an outlet, albeit a healthy one, for insecurity issues) and you dont fucking need more! three, i distinctly remember a conversation about deus getting his jakota on and you saying "fred should get himself a lady in ps too!"(paraphrased, so dont go nitpicking for words) four, maybe you forgot that in game, tech is using us as a launching platform, and deus doesnt like anybody cept his lovely lady who is immune to fire. so the little trio idea doesnt actual make sense.
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Post by halfhero on Dec 14, 2005 21:00:59 GMT -5
its probably best that tech and deus have little to do with actually running the company, given their personalities. and piss off fred, deus is played in character at all times, because he is NOT SANE. think Jintao Rang insane here. which i feel completely allows me to go plaants flowers in a park then immediately sneak into a buildin then kill all the inhabitants.
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 14, 2005 21:44:12 GMT -5
You can agree all you want, it simply was false. The dragon fired a cutting blast of flame, a cone of wind, a holy blast, etc. No black hole.
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Post by KRoZ on Dec 14, 2005 22:58:05 GMT -5
Yeah. I have an idea:
Stop.
...okay. Now like Chis is a fourteen year old homeless girl and sub-minor psionisist that I think you picked up when looking through the company city for recruits for QSI. You stopped her from huffing paint, found out that her little sister was kidnapped and murdered, and are now taking her away from her awful street existance and pampering her.
Jakota was stolen away from Mr. Satan when Deus learned of her fire immunity and found that to be the hottest thing since Tech's Napalm Semen.
Maybe people just don't want to be alone.
Anyway:
Earning things started off as a way to make the competition of battle arenas at recess a bit more fun and reward people who played well. Because earlier, people weren't giant powerhouses like they are now and just about every character stood a chance of beating another. Winning got you neat things, but it was never something you couldn't just go pick up at a store or take lessons for in single player. Of course, as time went on, people wanted bigger and better things, so the rewards changed to fit the characters ever growing power levels.
As such, wild and unnatural things have become available for earning, which wasn't the original intent. As a matter of fact, Power Struggle was never meant to get to the power level it is now, but as characters got stronger, the world had to change to accomidate and still provide a challenge.
HOWEVER! It's these wild and unnatural things available for earning that have had a direct effect on the power scale of the game itself. Because of them, Player characters can now stand toe to toe with NPC's who were supposed to be "Bosses". People it would take a team to beat, OR that you weren't MEANT to be able to defeat in direct combat.
Cursed Falothenix is a good example. Back in "the day" if you went to that cave, You died. It was a reminder of the dangers of the unknown and to show people that they weren't immortal, though they could load their games as much as they wanted, that there were still challenges they can't defeat.
Now, if say fred or tech went into the cave, the falothenix would get wtf pwned.
Karn used to have a power around 60. That was unheard of. Now Chaos troops have that. Hell, now some Arcadian gang members have that! Those guys are freaking random encounters! As everything moves further into this new power scale I can't keep up. It doesn't make sense to me for there to be hundreds of super human powerbeasts wandering around the planet to give the players challenges, but if it's always a giant stomping peasants when it comes to combat then i'm sure the game won't be very fun for very long.
I want to keep the game fun, but if it ends up turning into rifts or FB or something than I can't. Not with this world.
Now I've got to get to class, and I never really finished my main point. The main point is like... Earn things you could concieveably get on your own. Do you know of any giant dragon breeding pits in the area? Fraid not. Folks shouldn't worry so much about what they earn going to waste just sitting on a shelf. You should be having fun playing the game before you worry about the fantastic new powers that can suddenly manifest on your character if you just get a little more earnings.
Blargh class!
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 14, 2005 23:11:54 GMT -5
Actually, I met her in the Company City. I've been keeping the secret of her sister from her at the request of Old Pappy. But yeah, that's pretty much right.
Well, I'm good enough at getting shiznite in game anyways. But yeah, that's another good reason to go for the gunsmithery and special energy bullets. The first one will be a Prismatic Flame Phosphorous bullet.
I understand the dilemma. It's why you did the restart in the first place. That's why I created Horizons and Black Veil, and I'm REALLY keeping power growth down. The point is that, whatever space you give for the PCs, you allow them equal opportunity (something you're good at) and create challenges for them. It is hard to create plausible reasons for why there are tons of superpowered foes, but you have us on the run with the Chaos Temple, and there are no shortage of gods, demi-gods, high generation vampires, supernatural intelligences, or even well-organized techno-gangs that could take us down. So yeah, I know where you're coming from. But in my view there always should be at least a little character growth unless it's a completely combat-less game, and even there it's only arguable. The rate and scale should vary, of course, but it should be there.
Really? Falothenix killed me and Ross when I was Jukai with Ultra Power Man's armor and Ross was Gilgamesh with the Heaven armor. (That was a SWEET scenario, by the by).
Aaron, you can always reevaluate Falothenix, Drachnor, Komorak, etc. Trust us when we say that the game is still fun. And lord knows I have plenty of low to medium power characters to play. Plus all this is just ISR-388. There's a HUGE universe out there full of shit I don't even want to know about. I remember you telling me that the Company has supernova generators. I mean, Jesus, they have Tech Bunny, Stork, etc. and they're a PISSANT outpost on this planet! One of the funnest play sessions I remember was the one with Davy's army and the Karanda and such, and all of us had uber-strong people there.
I think you're underrating your abilities as a GM. Anyways, we can always retire characters when you stop throwing challenges at us. But for now there's a lot more that we can do with our characters, including non-combat stuff.
And man, people getting new stuff worked damn HARD for that shiznite. I worked my proverbial knuckles to the bone to get Hyper Density for Fred.
Oh, and by the by, Karn is WAY stronger than any Rifts character I can think of. Private teleporters? Fuck man. Larvax can make an ANTIMATTER BALL. That's basically Annihilate. He took a point blank minigun way back in the day, and that's in a non-MDC world. Larvax would be damn near a weak god in the Rifts world.
Plus eventually our characters will have to fight each other, considering we all have heroes and villains. And you can always make people who can turn our best parts against us. A Death spell overrides Bob's and Fred's tankiness. Feedback would kill Tech and Deus.
So yeah. Don't worry about it, my big man. You got our RPin' back.
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Post by halfhero on Dec 14, 2005 23:14:05 GMT -5
bah, we were just having some friendly banter, but yeah, our power levels did go a little crazy. but the unfrotunate reason is that we all really enjoyed the idea of struggling... for power. so i propose we change the name of the game to POWER MINOR CONFLICT! then it would SO make sense. ok i crazy now bye bye
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 14, 2005 23:20:53 GMT -5
Or Power SLAPFIGHT!
Actually, originally the name Power Struggle came from the various factions going at it. I think it was Davy's proposal.
Speaking of: Aaron, that's another thing that'll make gameplay harder. The Karanda war. (And'll give QSI a bunch of employment opportunities.)
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Post by KRoZ on Dec 15, 2005 1:14:49 GMT -5
The bottom of this post contains spoiler information, as if PS had a huge story line going for it in the first place. I already know Fred is gonna read it, but if anyone wants to keep suprises well... suprising... Skip that part. First, Fred, I said company city. It's even in your quote. Or maybe you just meant that you met her naturally and while not 'at the time' looking for power signitures. Falothenix has that one weak point of the medallion thing in it's forehead. A one inch magnum round with some matter of magical enhancement is bound to punch right through that and his power sensory would tell him that to be an epicenter of energy. The fact that ISR-388 is a pissant place has been something I've kept into account to allow for bigger and better things to be off world. However, Once people start moving off world the player base spreads out and it removes one of my favorite parts of having a persistant world type RPG: What you do mattering to other players. Stork blows up old man mcgraws shack, no more shack for anyone. Say Billjoe had a meeting with Mcgraw later that day. No Mcgraw to speak of now. However, some random building that gets blown up or some frantic street fighting on another planet has much less of a chance of being worth a damn to people when there's already the issue of being in different cities. So i've been reluctant to expand offworld, which is largely why shuttle tickets are so expensive. Because why find out what's on the next colonized planet over when you can pimp your ride? Also I'm always reluctant to put two characters that I know won't like each other in the same place. If you die, you can load your game. If you die to a player, they have to agree to let you load. Which means of course, you probably end up fighting again and again until one of you says "FINE!" and lets your character die. sure there's a couple ways to come back from the dead, but nobody likes dying. Just ask Stork. Onward then to things best left unknown. *Below is a spoiler* *Below is a spoiler* *Below is a spoiler* The Karanda just found the pink glow crystals (the things tech and deus found) and that has been enough to give them the go-ahead to take the planet. First they will try political means, then they'll go for force. At which point not only will the planet get turned on its ear, but the Company and Karanda will move higher tier military hardware in order to defend/take the planet. Not top tier, but higher by far. Summarized: Not long from now The Company and the Karanda are going to war. *End Spoiler* *End Spoiler* *End Spoiler* Sorry to use so much page space...
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 15, 2005 1:35:22 GMT -5
Which is true.
Which would be hard to hit on such a fast moving and large target in a dark cave, I thought you said it was normally indestructible, and sweetly that Power Sense would find it. I figured I wouldn't know and thus I would be dead.
True enough, but that's going to happen no matter what if you have independently playing players. I avoid the problem in CotG since the team has some connection and everyone knows each other, at least somewhat. (Though the new saga might alter that fact.)
When me and Davy did it to each other, we worked out ways for both of us to survive. But yeah, that's another problem with having people be different alignments, people, etc. (Though then again, there was a nice big drama between Stork and Brian. It sucked for Brian, but it was a good story.)
No problem with the page space - avoiding spoilers is sweet.
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Post by KRoZ on Dec 15, 2005 6:20:38 GMT -5
But then of course the entire point of doing all that spacing was to avoid said spoiler, which you so thoughtfully quoted the summary of.
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Post by Frederic Bourgault-Christie on Dec 15, 2005 7:03:52 GMT -5
Notice... the beauty of editing!
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